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William M. Rowley's avatar

I appreciate your preterist perspective!

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Jeffrey Rickman's avatar

The either/or way in which this is broken down is hard for me. Heiser (Naked Bible) and Mackey (Bible Project) have given me the strong impression that it is a both/and schema. Ezekiel makes clear that worldly powers coincide with heavenly ones through a series of prophecies. Deuteronomy 32 makes clear that the Lord has ordained a heavenly council over the nations. The celestial bodies correspond with heavenly realities. It seems to many that developments in the heavens can and do correspond with celestial bodies. It should be just fine to say that many of these things described in a celestial way in the Bible also reflect a reality with worldly powers. But if it says that it is actually only about that, which I take your article to mean, that doesn't seem quite right. Why not both/and? I think I'm seeing that the larger concern here is a literal interpretation about end times stuff. Many Christians today are expecting an end of history in which there will be a great burning away and great shifts in the heavenly realms. Many within the Wesleyan world rather have something of an amillennial view, in which there won't be any dramatic shift, but a gradual shift towards holiness here on earth. Am I reading correctly how these things are all connected for you and probably many others here? The violent prophecies of the end time have all already been fulfilled, and now the Kingdom is on earth? I guess I don't understand the function of the Day of the Lord in this interpretive framework. I am only now coming to understand it, and it is still very new to me. I'm trying to be as charitable as I can in my apprehension of it.

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